Last Chance to sign the APC support petition!

[Jazza]

Hi Everyone!

If you guys haven't seen this yet, over at the Members of the Loyal
Order of Stupids forum, we have started up a petition to be sent to
TNN showing the fans support of the new episodes. Thing is, the
petition will be sent on Friday, August 15th! If you haven't signed
it yet, please PLEASE do so, there are only 3 days left! Thanks
everyone!

Heres the addy:

http://www.petitiononline.com/RnS4evr/petition.html

Lady Deathtouch
http://bb.bbboy.net/motlos

PS: Okay, this is the last time I peddle my cheesey wares! Promise :)

[William Bowie]

WOW only 314 signatures. That will prove to TNN/SpikeTV to keep the show.
:-p

Post by Jazza
Hi Everyone!
If you guys haven't seen this yet, over at the Members of the Loyal
Order of Stupids forum, we have started up a petition to be sent to
TNN showing the fans support of the new episodes. Thing is, the
petition will be sent on Friday, August 15th! If you haven't signed
it yet, please PLEASE do so, there are only 3 days left! Thanks
everyone!
http://www.petitiononline.com/RnS4evr/petition.html
Lady Deathtouch
http://bb.bbboy.net/motlos
PS: Okay, this is the last time I peddle my cheesey wares! Promise :)

[Mister X]

Spike (Viacom) now knows why John K. was fired by Nick (Viacom) in the
first place. Late episodes, overbudgeted, inconsistent character
continuity and pissed off fans.

Look at the problems they have delivering 6 episodes in a timely manner.

Spumco can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

X

Post by William Bowie
WOW only 314 signatures. That will prove to TNN/SpikeTV to keep the show.
:-p

Post by Jazza
Hi Everyone!
If you guys haven't seen this yet, over at the Members of the Loyal
Order of Stupids forum, we have started up a petition to be sent to
TNN showing the fans support of the new episodes. Thing is, the
petition will be sent on Friday, August 15th! If you haven't signed
it yet, please PLEASE do so, there are only 3 days left! Thanks
everyone!
http://www.petitiononline.com/RnS4evr/petition.html
Lady Deathtouch
http://bb.bbboy.net/motlos
PS: Okay, this is the last time I peddle my cheesey wares! Promise :)

[R. Westermeyer]

Post by Mister X
Spike (Viacom) now knows why John K. was fired by Nick (Viacom) in the
first place. Late episodes, overbudgeted, inconsistent character
continuity and pissed off fans.
Look at the problems they have delivering 6 episodes in a timely manner.
Spumco can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
X

Post by William Bowie
WOW only 314 signatures. That will prove to TNN/SpikeTV to keep the show.
:-p

Post by Jazza
Hi Everyone!
If you guys haven't seen this yet, over at the Members of the Loyal
Order of Stupids forum, we have started up a petition to be sent to
TNN showing the fans support of the new episodes. Thing is, the
petition will be sent on Friday, August 15th! If you haven't signed
it yet, please PLEASE do so, there are only 3 days left! Thanks
everyone!
http://www.petitiononline.com/RnS4evr/petition.html
Lady Deathtouch
http://bb.bbboy.net/motlos
PS: Okay, this is the last time I peddle my cheesey wares! Promise :)

Well, I don't know the guy from Jesus, only the stuff I've read on WWW
and Usenet, which may or may not be true. But, if these rumors are
true, it's sad.

You can be the most talented brilliant person around, but when it
comes to marketing your talent and brilliance, and making money from
your talent and brilliance, you ALWAYS need to know how to compromise
and work with other people, and even take orders from people who maybe
arent' talented and brilliant artists, but know the marketing and
money-making end of it.

Hey, I have total respect for artists who say fuck you to all that,
and just let their muse dictate, but It's my impression that some big
promises have been made to viewers. And viewers are being jacked.
REsentment is totally reasonable, and has nothing to do with the
product (at least as far as I'm concerned) but the packaging and
delivery. REn and Stimpy are GOD, but this TNN broadcast simply sucks.

And Mr. Important, when someone complains about the delivery, don't be
an ass and turn their complaint into one about the product.

Oh, and the other prick you said this TNN tech, or donut boy or
whatever never implied that he's "important", I encourage you to look
back at earlier threads, in which he responded to "Are you Mr. TNN?"
with "You could say that."

Pffft.

Wonder what will be airing tonight? I mean between the 4 commercial
breaks.

--Robert

*****
Don't look under that rock
You won't like what you will find.
--Nick Cave

[Stephen Worth]

Post by R. Westermeyer
And Mr. Important, when someone complains about the delivery, don't be
an ass and turn their complaint into one about the product.

OK, you aren't complaining about the quality... you are complaining
about the tardiness...

The question is, why get all pissed off and angry at Spumco and TNN
when a cartoon is late? You've gone ten years watching mediocre
cartoons on TV. A week or two more isn't going to kill you.

Heck, you could sit down with your VCR's remote and still frame through
the last few shows and find enough wonderful drawings in there to match
the entertainment value of a whole season of any other cartoon
currently on the air.

If you paid twenty bucks for the cartoon and you didn't get it on time,
sure... go ahead and complain. But these cartoons are free, and odds
are you are taping them and cutting out the commercials so you can play
over and over again forever. If someone gave me a treat for free that I
got to enjoy forever, I sure wouldn't complain if it was a week or two
late!

The only reason to do that would be if you think the world owes you
treats, if you had a grudge against the giver, or you never liked that
kind of treat in the first place. It could also be due to poor
upbringing and a lack of appreciation.

Post by R. Westermeyer
Oh, and the other prick you said this TNN tech, or donut boy or
whatever never implied that he's "important", I encourage you to look
back at earlier threads, in which he responded to "Are you Mr. TNN?"
with "You could say that."

I think I said, "sort of". TNN doesn't sign my checks, but their money
is certainly in there.

See ya
Steve

[-=Gaylord=-]

Yeah, well we have 326 now, and I don't think that is that bad, compared to
the 84 signatures in the petition against the new episodes....Every little
helps....

I have a question for all the people that are complaining about the
tardiness, and making rude and nasty comments....You do realise that there
are dozens of people working their asses off drawing, animating, inking and
doing everything they can, to get these episodes out. You are not only
offending John K, but all of the people working hard at Spumco HQ, Spumco LA
and Carbunkle Cartoons, and all the others I haven't mentioned. How would
you like it if you had the amount of pressure they have right now, working
as hard as you can, and then having 'fans' tell you where to get off? That
is completely ungreatful and unappreciative. I don't mind waiting, because I
know how hard those people are working to get things done. It makes me
wonder if any of the complaining people know what actually goes into
animating, and how they are made....

Randi Mueck
http://bb.bbboy.net/motlos

[William Bowie]

Tell them they need classes in 'Time Management" ?
:-P

jk

Post by -=Gaylord=-
Yeah, well we have 326 now, and I don't think that is that bad, compared to
the 84 signatures in the petition against the new episodes....Every little
helps....
I have a question for all the people that are complaining about the
tardiness, and making rude and nasty comments....You do realise that there
are dozens of people working their asses off drawing, animating, inking and
doing everything they can, to get these episodes out. You are not only
offending John K, but all of the people working hard at Spumco HQ, Spumco LA
and Carbunkle Cartoons, and all the others I haven't mentioned. How would
you like it if you had the amount of pressure they have right now, working
as hard as you can, and then having 'fans' tell you where to get off? That
is completely ungreatful and unappreciative. I don't mind waiting, because I
know how hard those people are working to get things done. It makes me
wonder if any of the complaining people know what actually goes into
animating, and how they are made....
Randi Mueck
http://bb.bbboy.net/motlos

[Joe Blow]

Post by -=Gaylord=-
I have a question for all the people that are complaining about the
tardiness, and making rude and nasty comments....You do realise that there
are dozens of people working their asses off drawing, animating, inking and
doing everything they can, to get these episodes out.

The kind of people that wait until the last minute, then rush to put something
together (that always ends up being shit) deserve all the complaints they have
been getting.

Post by -=Gaylord=-
You are not only
offending John K, but all of the people working hard at Spumco HQ, Spumco LA
and Carbunkle Cartoons, and all the others I haven't mentioned.

Don't forget the morons at TNN. Since they haven't canceled this yet, that
means they are part of the problem too.

Post by -=Gaylord=-
How would
you like it if you had the amount of pressure they have right now, working
as hard as you can, and then having 'fans' tell you where to get off?

I don't put myself in that situation. I produce enough shows BEFORE I even go
to a station or network so I have enough to give them and plenty of time to work
on shows for the following year. Otherwise you are rushed and then the quality
suffers. Thanks for letting us know these bozos are the type that like to
wait until the last minute and then rush the shows out. That explains why they
turned out like such crap.

Post by -=Gaylord=-
That
is completely ungreatful and unappreciative. I don't mind waiting, because I
know how hard those people are working to get things done.

There was only like one or two news shows and now nothing but reruns! What
hard work are you talking about? Who makes a commitment with a network and
only has one or two shows done?

Post by -=Gaylord=-
It makes me
wonder if any of the complaining people know what actually goes into
animating, and how they are made....

It is because I do, that I know what morons these losers really are. I was a
big R&S fan. Now I have no respect for the creators at all. They seem to be
like that ass from Guns&Roses that had a great break and huge following and now
the moron doesn't even show up to his concerts and turned into an ungrateful and
unappreciative idiot who just flushed a great career others would die for, down
the drain.

This is the same thing. Someone has a big over inflated ego and thinks
everyone should wait for them and they are some great icon everyone should be
worshiping. Someone has just destroyed any chance at doing this ever again
when word gets out to other networks what happened here. These people
responsible will never work in this industry again.

I also predict that TNN/Spike will not last and will go under by the end of the
year.

Wait and see.

[Stephen Worth]

I was a big R&S fan. Now I have no respect for the creators at all.

Creators? Ren & Stimpy didn't have "creators"... They were created by
one guy... that fella with the name you can't even pronounce or spell.
What kind of a fan is that?! About the same kind of fan as the fella
whose favorite episode was "Happy Hat" and wished there were as many
episodes this season as there were in the first season of the show...
(Hint: It's exactly the same number!)

See ya
Steve

[Pav1]

I've never heard it called "Happy Hat" before, I always thought it was
"Happy Helmet". If that is what you are referring to, what do you have
against it?

Post by Stephen Worth

I was a big R&S fan. Now I have no respect for the creators at all.

Creators? Ren & Stimpy didn't have "creators"... They were created by
one guy... that fella with the name you can't even pronounce or spell.
What kind of a fan is that?! About the same kind of fan as the fella
whose favorite episode was "Happy Hat" and wished there were as many
episodes this season as there were in the first season of the show...
(Hint: It's exactly the same number!)
See ya
Steve
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Post by Stephen Worth

I was a big R&S fan. Now I have no respect for the creators at all.

Creators? Ren & Stimpy didn't have "creators"... They were created by
one guy...

Then it wouldn't cost "millions" to produce like you say in your other post.

Post by Stephen Worth
that fella with the name you can't even pronounce or spell.
What kind of a fan is that?!

What does being a fan of a program or cartoon have to do with knowing the name or
spelling of someone who produces or creates it? I can like a movie before I
know who wrote it or the name of the actors in it.

I had no idea who or what or how many created R&S, but it was a great cartoon
years ago. The new cartoon sucks. I would never guess that the same person
made both, all I know is that the one cartoon was great and this new one
sucks. I also know that the network it is on sucks even more.

Post by Stephen Worth
See ya
Steve

"See ya"?? And you were calling ME a kid.

[chippy]

Post by Stephen Worth

I was a big R&S fan. Now I have no respect for the creators at all.

Creators? Ren & Stimpy didn't have "creators"... They were created by
one guy... that fella with the name you can't even pronounce or spell.
What kind of a fan is that?! About the same kind of fan as the fella
whose favorite episode was "Happy Hat" and wished there were as many
episodes this season as there were in the first season of the show...
(Hint: It's exactly the same number!)
See ya
Steve

Can't agree with you here, Steve. !st Season had 19 episodes. Or 10 ½ hour Shows.

[Stephen Worth]

Post by chippy
Can't agree with you here, Steve. !st Season had 19 episodes. Or 10 ½ hour Shows.

You're counting all of the Spumco episodes as first season. Spumco was
involved until halfway through season 2.

Season 1
Stimpy's Big Day / The Big Shot
Robin Hoek / Nurse Stimpy
Space Madness / The Boy Who Cried "Rat!"
Fire Dogs / The Littlest Giant
Marooned / Untamed World
Black Hole / Stimpy's Invention
 
Season 2
In the Army / Powdered Toastman
Ren's Toothache / Big House Blues
Out West / Rubber Nipple Salesmen
Man's Best Friend (not aired)
Sven Hoek
Mad Dog Hoek / Haunted House
Big Baby Scam / Dog Show
Son of Stimpy (aka Stimpy's First Fart)
A Visit to Anthony
The Royal Canadian Kilted Yaksmen
Monkey See, Monkey Don't / Fake Dad
The Great Outdoors / The Cat That Laid The Golden Hairball
Stimpy's Fan Club

etc...

See ya
Steve

[Stephen Worth]

No, I'm counting all the Ren & Stimpy episodes;
Spumco or games that Nick aired that first season.
According to Nickelodeon.

I don't think that list is correct. Games took over midway through
season 2. I'll ask Vincent, Eddie or John next week and see what the
breakdown was.

See ya
Steve

[chippy]

Thanx, I really want to know what's the real list.
This is what I, & probably others, have been going by
for the last seven-some years.

Post by Stephen Worth

No, I'm counting all the Ren & Stimpy episodes;
Spumco or games that Nick aired that first season.
According to Nickelodeon.

I don't think that list is correct. Games took over midway through
season 2. I'll ask Vincent, Eddie or John next week and see what the
breakdown was.
See ya
Steve

[Stephen Worth]

Post by Joe Blow
I don't put myself in that situation. I produce enough shows BEFORE I even
go to a station or network so I have enough to give them and plenty of time to
work on shows for the following year.

And where would you get the millions of dollars that you would need to
cover out of your own pocket to produce the shows in advance without
even having a broadcast deal inked? How would you know if you had a
pickup for the following season until the first season aired and was
successful?

I love to hear kids tell how they would run the world if they were the
boss!

See ya
Steve

[Joe Blow]

Post by Stephen Worth

Post by Joe Blow
I don't put myself in that situation. I produce enough shows BEFORE I even
go to a station or network so I have enough to give them and plenty of time to
work on shows for the following year.

And where would you get the millions of dollars that you would need to
cover out of your own pocket to produce the shows in advance without
even having a broadcast deal inked?

It doesn't HAVE to cost millions of dollars, that is another part most don't
understand. If you have the TIME you can do it all yourself for little or no cost
at all and take as long as it takes before you have something to show.

I have produced television shows, nationally syndicated radio programs, and now
movies without spending even "thousands" of dollars. My current project is to
film a movie without using any money at all, just to show it can be done.

Post by Stephen Worth
How would you know if you had a
pickup for the following season until the first season aired and was
successful?

I know if a program will be successful or a flop before it ever even airs. If it
wasn't going to be successful, I wouldn't waste time producing it.

Hey, I am telling you now that R&S will not be on TNN very long, and TNN will most
likely fall apart before the year ends. Why not wait and see how long both are
around before you start laughing at me. Let's meet back here in a few months
when both are no longer around.

[Stephen Worth]

Post by Joe Blow
It doesn't HAVE to cost millions of dollars, that is another part most don't
understand. If you have the TIME you can do it all yourself for little or
no cost at all and take as long as it takes before you have something to show.
I have produced television shows, nationally syndicated radio programs, and
now movies without spending even "thousands" of dollars. My current
project is to film a movie without using any money at all, just to show it
can be done.

Hey Cecil B DeMille! Let's see you produce an animated film by
charging it all to your credit cards! Drawing half a million drawings
isn't exactly the same as taking a high 8 camcorder into your back
yard and shooting your next door neighbor frisking about in a Batman
cape!

Post by Joe Blow
I know if a program will be successful or a flop before it ever even
airs. If it wasn't going to be successful, I wouldn't waste time producing
it.

Whether you believe it is going to be successful doesn't matter in the
least. It's whether the people paying to broadcast the show are willing
to turn over the production funds or not that determines when a show is
go for a second season.

C'mon... give it up, kid. You're cute, but you don't know what you're
talking about.

See ya
Steve

[R. Westermeyer]

Post by Stephen Worth

Post by R. Westermeyer
And Mr. Important, when someone complains about the delivery, don't be
an ass and turn their complaint into one about the product.

OK, you aren't complaining about the quality... you are complaining
about the tardiness...
The question is, why get all pissed off and angry at Spumco and TNN
when a cartoon is late? You've gone ten years watching mediocre
cartoons on TV. A week or two more isn't going to kill you.
Heck, you could sit down with your VCR's remote and still frame through
the last few shows and find enough wonderful drawings in there to match
the entertainment value of a whole season of any other cartoon
currently on the air.
If you paid twenty bucks for the cartoon and you didn't get it on time,
sure... go ahead and complain. But these cartoons are free, and odds
are you are taping them and cutting out the commercials so you can play
over and over again forever. If someone gave me a treat for free that I
got to enjoy forever, I sure wouldn't complain if it was a week or two
late!
The only reason to do that would be if you think the world owes you
treats, if you had a grudge against the giver, or you never liked that
kind of treat in the first place. It could also be due to poor
upbringing and a lack of appreciation.

Post by R. Westermeyer
Oh, and the other prick you said this TNN tech, or donut boy or
whatever never implied that he's "important", I encourage you to look
back at earlier threads, in which he responded to "Are you Mr. TNN?"
with "You could say that."

I think I said, "sort of". TNN doesn't sign my checks, but their money
is certainly in there.
See ya
Steve

Funny how with the original R&S, the later seasons were more...season
like, in terms of quantity.

Quality didn't suffer either, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, the
masterpiece of the Happy Hat episode and Stimpy's Big Day remain
unrivaled, but I don't agree that the show went to shit after K left,
or was fired . I own all the episodes, and there are some episodes
without K's involvement that parallel and even exceed the earlier ones
in terms of humor and creativity.

Your defense is the network didn't owe it to the viewers to offer what
they'd hyped: a season. This hasn't been a season. It's been shows
lopped off the last two minutes with an equal dose of commercials,
shows not starting on time, numerous false scheduling, repeats.

I don't even allude to know what the problem is, because I don't, and
wouldn't believe you if you said you did, because you're obviously
someone's toady.

If it's solely the network's fault, I hope K and his band of
brilliant artists pack up and pitch to another network.

If it's the creator's fault, that is, inability to keep to a schedule,
I suggest he shape up. For the sake of the show remaining on, and for
the loyal fans.

--Robert
*****
Done is the kissing, now all that remains
Is to sail forever on a stain.
--Nick Cave (Cabin Fever)

[R. Westermeyer]

Post by R. Westermeyer
I don't even allude to know what the problem is, because I don't, and
wouldn't believe you if you said you did, because you're obviously
someone's toady.

That's OK, because I'm not here to please you!
Have a wonderful day!
See ya
Steve

Was the power outage the reason "Man's best Friend" was reaired last
night instead of the new episode?

--Robert

[Stephen Worth]

Post by R. Westermeyer
Was the power outage the reason "Man's best Friend" was reaired last
night instead of the new episode?

You wouldn't believe me if I told you, because I am obviously
somebody's toady.

See ya
Steve

[Joe Blow]

Post by R. Westermeyer
Was the power outage the reason "Man's best Friend" was reaired last
night instead of the new episode?

No. Then no episode would have aired at all. And how would the power
outage yesterday had anything to do with all the previous weeks of not
airing episodes as were scheduled?

How long are you suckers going to keep watching to see the new episodes that
are never going to run and will always be reruns?

Some people sure fall for the same trick over and over again.

[R. Westermeyer]

Post by Joe Blow

Post by R. Westermeyer
Was the power outage the reason "Man's best Friend" was reaired last
night instead of the new episode?

No. Then no episode would have aired at all. And how would the power
outage yesterday had anything to do with all the previous weeks of not
airing episodes as were scheduled?
How long are you suckers going to keep watching to see the new episodes that
are never going to run and will always be reruns?
Some people sure fall for the same trick over and over again.

Dude, I was flabbergasted last night when the tivo listing read naked
beach or whatever the new episode is called, and then on came a
repeat. Three weeks for this one. I just wanted to make sure there
wasn't a legitimate reason this time. I was just thinking, they
wouldn't fuck with viewers yet again would they?

If it had to do with it not being done, I'm thoroughly pissed. IT's
been listed three times as the weeks episode, only to be switched at
the last minute.

--

[Stephen Worth]

Post by R. Westermeyer
If it had to do with it not being done, I'm thoroughly pissed.

I already posted that it's done, so you can only be partially pissed. I
also posted that I will let the Spumco group know as soon as I hear
when it will be made public.

See ya
Steve

[Stephen Worth]

Don't keep going back for more abuse, delete the channel from your sets with
the remotes and never surf past them ever again.

Why not do the same with this newsgroup, Champ? You're certainly
not gaining anything from your presence here.

See ya
Steve

[Mister X]

At least he's predictable and timely with his postings. AND he delivers
what he promises: scathing criticism of a poorly organized production
house and a dying cable channel with fewer viewers than than a test
pattern on WNBT at 3 AM in 1949.
X

Post by Stephen Worth

Don't keep going back for more abuse, delete the channel from your sets with
the remotes and never surf past them ever again.

Why not do the same with this newsgroup, Champ? You're certainly
not gaining anything from your presence here.
See ya
Steve

[Stephen Worth]

Post by Mister X
At least he's predictable and timely with his postings. AND he delivers
what he promises: scathing criticism

Should I be impressed?

See ya
Steve